Below is conversation on collars from Fetlife I found interesting. The only editing I’ve done is to remove the names and icons of those Dommes participating in the discussion.
hello,
what’s the difference between owned and collared, in your mind/practice? is there any difference? what are the implications of one versus the other?
thanks, y’all!
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To me, there’s a HUGE difference. Collaring comes first. After a while, then, if it’s right, I might own them. I’ve only owned 2 people during my bdsm life of over 29 yrs.
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so the order is important. is that the only difference? what does collaring imply if not ownership? i’m still totally in the dark… i need elucidation of these terms.
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I would offer that it is a matter of perspective and preference. Some times we get emotionally vested in a thought pattern or belief and we forget that there are many points of view out there. I think for many people, collaring is a symbol of ownership, thus, for those folks, it is one in the same.
I am sure there are probably as many views on this as there are people who would offer them. My view point does not in any way trump or negate another’s. Great question though.
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Note: The following three comments are closest to how I practice and regard collars and collaring. However, I have my own feelings as to what it means when I offer a collar. I do not take collars and collaring lightly. In my world a collar is a promise and declaration of love from me. I may get around to writing about it in the future.
Canhamiana
In my practice, and in the traditions that I was taught, the two are the same. The wearing of a collar is a symbol of ownership. Collars are a signal that the person wearing the collar has entered into an agreement to submit to the person who has given them the collar.
There are all kinds of different ways of relating to each other as a Domina and a submissive…I happen to know that you have an adorable little doggie in human form! In my practice, I do conceptualize collars for slaves as having the same weight as a collar for my cat. Now, I’m not going to engage in BDSM play with my cat (as a matter of a fact, she tends to dominate me!), but she is dependent on me to provide her with a degree of love and care for as long as she is alive. When I formally collared my slave piggy, I promised him that I would monitor his health and well being to the best of my ability, and encourage him to make healthy lifestyle decisions (among other things). I further reinforced this commitment by promising his mother shortly before her death last year that I would always watch out for her boy. When I formally collar someone it assures them a lifelong affiliation with me. I haven’t been terribly successful with marriages, so collars are my way of creating lifelong relationships.
Of course, collars don’t have to symbolize a lifelong relationship…you can collar someone for an evening’s play, and declare them yours for the night. I almost always use collars to begin and end my professional scenes, as I find that it encapsulates the scene and really helps my clients to get into subspace. So, in that sense, the collar doesn’t symbolize a permanent ownership…just a temporary one, for an agreed upon amount of time. It’s a symbol that says, “you belong to me, and therefore, I own your ass!”…at least in my world.
Now this has gotten me to thinking that I should offer a class on D/s or bring it up as a point of discussion in another live forum…hmmm…
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All other differences aside, owning is part of the Master/ess & slave mindset. MAsT, etc.
Collaring is something that is done between dominant and submissive if they so choose; all of the business beyond that is negotiated, just like every variety of WIITWD.
My philosophy does not encompass ownership of any sort…because I have long believed that Western cultural models of relationships is selfishly focused. “I love you, you love me, therefor if you love or even look like you love anyone else, you don’t love me any more or as much, so I’ll cling to the one I love with all my might…” Love requires jealousy which equals possessing the love object which equals ownership equals slavery.
I just am not comfortable with the language of “slavery”.
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WOW! Not what I was expecting to see here. I am with Ms Elohi tho. You have to realize there is going to be a vast difference of opinions here.
I believe collaring should come after the ownership.
I did two years of research about the lifestyle, and spent another year or two after figuring out who I was and how I wanted to do things. And have now been in the lifestyle for six years. I am still new. I am not telling you my way is the best, just why I do it my way.
To me ownership is easily attained. A dom meets a sub and they click, hit off and decide to become a D/s relationship. The sub is handing over ownership of him/her self to the dom.
A collar to me is like a wedding band. It’s meant to last forever. It’s the most permanent bond of D/s and is NOT something to be taken lightly. This is something both parties are to inter into knowing fully well it will take work, commitment, devotion, from everyone involved.
Owning is somewhat like the dating stage of the lifestyle. Your looking for you perfect mate/mates. Depending on if your poly or not. Your likes and dislikes. Where, and what you plan to do with your life, and how you want to do it. When you meet the other half that fits your plans for now and future D/s life you then collar.
This is what I decided for me and how I see it to be. From talking to many that have been in the lifestyle for years, this is how many of them view it as well. I have heard it said that it has become as, Raven has put it, (the two are the same), by newer people in the lifestyle. Though, from what I have seen, many even those that have been around for awhile do see that way as well.
So I would have to say, it means what it means to each person. The lifestyle in every part is what it means to you. You have to figure it out for yourself, and chose your way of doing things. Just remember, there is no right or wrong way to do things. Just differences. You don’t have to agree, just respect others choices to do it different.
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Well, collar could symbolize a Ds or Ms relationship. But those relationships do differ from Owner/property relationships. To my way of thinking a sub/slave is still a human being. But when someone is considered as, or considers themselves as property- they identify less- than- human. More like one might own an antique vase, or prized AKC show dog, or sports car… One as property is owned and therefor transferable and disposable property. Just a different mindset. At least this is what I have been led to believe through what I have seen and heard over the years.